ItIsNotFunny
06-15 09:33 AM
To be honest, I do agree that the US needs qualified people with skillsets. The real question is "Are the people from the desi consulting companies the real qualified lot ? " Just to get my background details out of the way. I am a new member, from India ofcourse, and I have recently applied for my citizenship. Now with this huge deluge of immigrants, especially from the desi consulting companies, I feel that my quality of life is getting adversely impacted. Do not rush to conclusions that I am anti Indian or anti immigrant. 12 years back when I first got my H1 visa, the requirements to qualify were strict. Staffing companies to a decent extent followed rules and tried to get the best and the brightest. Once the dot com boom started, people from all walks of life entered IT. This was true of not just the Indians but also of people in the US. Soon after the bust, the value proposition from these staffing companies was simply low cost. This is not to blame the staffing companies. They behaved in an economically rational way.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
Just because you got lucky and got your GC sooner doesn't mean others are idiot.
Consider this scenario. If you run a consulting company, wouldn't you try to maximize your profits by staffing people in projects at the least cost ? This is econmically rational. You wouldn't worry much about the quality of the deliverables and all you would care is to dump as many bodies as possible at the client site or offshore and get the maximum bang for the buck.
In this scenario, how is it feasible to expect immigrational justice when the bodies themselves dont provide exceptional talent and skills but simply offer low cost ? Now you would be tempted to bring in the analogous case of illegal low skilled immigrants. Remember they are just that - low skilled workers. They dont "steal" the jobs of high skilled workers. But this dumping of IT workforce has completely brought down the standard of living of the IT workers here. To be honest, those who get green cards today would feel the same way five years from now when the next wave of so called "skilled IT immigrants" offer even lower wages and destroy the quality of life.
In summary, this retrogression is good in a way. The truly best and the brightest would still be employed until their turn for adjournment comes in. Only the weak are currently scared of the delays. I went through the same torrid GC phase after the tech meltdown in 2001. I was not worried of my job then but many people whom I knew got clobbered and were forced to leave. This is the darwinian flush and it will take its toll. Trust me this the bitter truth. If you people still consider that all the people on H1/L1 are part of the best and the brightest, they are WRONG. Only a small % (probably 20%) are the true best and the brightest and a good 50% will be flushed out. Sorry to say this and hey give me the red dots.
Just because you got lucky and got your GC sooner doesn't mean others are idiot.
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Alabaman
08-03 06:19 PM
Pardon my ignorance, how does labor substitution work and what is FIFO?
ramus
06-27 09:48 PM
Yes I agree.. But if they don't move date foward then they can't approve those backlog applications.And they don't want to loose 40,000 visas . Now when they made all date current, they can approve all those pending application which are complete and just waiting for date to become current. Now we don't know real number and don't know how long it will take USCIS to do all approvals. But if they approve 40,000 in 2 weeks, I won't be surprised if they make it 'U' like other workers.
But then question still remains why they made all current. They could have just moved it by year or so.. And I am sure they know how many application they can expect in July.. I already saw some where that we have around more then 80,000 approved perm.. All they going to apply.. And what about all whose labor just got approved fro Backlog centers?
Its making everybody confused.. But its not in our hand and we can't do anything. Best thing is to file asap and just hope for best and we are always ready for worst..
Just think if they make date 'U' in middle of july, how many member going to loose money. Each of us spent so much money this month and if nothing happens that we loose all of it.
Iam a little skeptical about the AILA comment, If USCIS had "far more than 40,000 AOS applications that are ready to be aproved", why the heck would they make all the dates current.
Some argue that they wanted to gauge the true demand for GC out there. But in order to do that, they would 1st have to accept the application, go over it, acertain the number of beneficiaries involved etc..
Out of all the versions that I have seen floating around, I find this the most plausable, undoubtedly USCIS has a ton of pending applications, but a lot of these are struck in various sub-procceses (Name check etc), since they do not want to waste the visa numbers like last year, they are inviting additional applications so that if nothing else, easiest of cases go through.
Not to say, what AILA is saying cannot happen, 'coz who knows how these things really work. USCIS is this big black hole...
But then question still remains why they made all current. They could have just moved it by year or so.. And I am sure they know how many application they can expect in July.. I already saw some where that we have around more then 80,000 approved perm.. All they going to apply.. And what about all whose labor just got approved fro Backlog centers?
Its making everybody confused.. But its not in our hand and we can't do anything. Best thing is to file asap and just hope for best and we are always ready for worst..
Just think if they make date 'U' in middle of july, how many member going to loose money. Each of us spent so much money this month and if nothing happens that we loose all of it.
Iam a little skeptical about the AILA comment, If USCIS had "far more than 40,000 AOS applications that are ready to be aproved", why the heck would they make all the dates current.
Some argue that they wanted to gauge the true demand for GC out there. But in order to do that, they would 1st have to accept the application, go over it, acertain the number of beneficiaries involved etc..
Out of all the versions that I have seen floating around, I find this the most plausable, undoubtedly USCIS has a ton of pending applications, but a lot of these are struck in various sub-procceses (Name check etc), since they do not want to waste the visa numbers like last year, they are inviting additional applications so that if nothing else, easiest of cases go through.
Not to say, what AILA is saying cannot happen, 'coz who knows how these things really work. USCIS is this big black hole...
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pointlesswait
09-23 06:30 PM
there is a "right" time for everything..and now is not! thats all...
You are right, in times like these immigrants should not be welcomed with open arms so its time for you to pack-up and leave. Visit this website when you reach home and let us know you reached safely... safe travels.
You are right, in times like these immigrants should not be welcomed with open arms so its time for you to pack-up and leave. Visit this website when you reach home and let us know you reached safely... safe travels.
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crazyghoda
05-29 01:25 PM
software engineers now coming to US to Religious workers..
Maybe the temples and other places of worship need software to manage the huge donations all of us are making to God to make the dates move. :D
Just a joke folks, dont get worked up.
Maybe the temples and other places of worship need software to manage the huge donations all of us are making to God to make the dates move. :D
Just a joke folks, dont get worked up.
Lasantha
12-14 04:41 PM
If that were the case then the rest of us must be equlally skeptical of your ideas since you yourself hail from an oversubscribed country. :cool:
All you need to do is listen to the idea with an open mind and see if that makes sense. Obviously the ppl from oversubscribed countries would love to see these restrictions removed (and I can understand that) but please also keep in mind that the people from ROW will think twice about supporting such a move if it's done without other provisions like increasing the total quota, visa recapture, excluding dependents and faster processing times.
On the other hand if you are from "ROW" then all your attempts to kill this ideas will make me understand how scared you are of this idea and hence how good this idea really is. :)
All you need to do is listen to the idea with an open mind and see if that makes sense. Obviously the ppl from oversubscribed countries would love to see these restrictions removed (and I can understand that) but please also keep in mind that the people from ROW will think twice about supporting such a move if it's done without other provisions like increasing the total quota, visa recapture, excluding dependents and faster processing times.
On the other hand if you are from "ROW" then all your attempts to kill this ideas will make me understand how scared you are of this idea and hence how good this idea really is. :)
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la6470
01-15 07:09 PM
What happens to them?
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alterego
01-28 09:14 AM
USCIS should create a way of reporting such abuses, with protection to those who report it.
This is one area I think most people can agree upon. It might seem at first glance to be a victimless crime, but we clearly know otherwise.
This just goes to show how lopsided EB immigration is in favour of the employer. When companies without much reputation wantonly disregard the rules, and blatantly advertise like this, the USCIS/US gov't ought to reconsider whether they are deserving of such power. If not because such practices hurt those like us, then because they hurt US workers as well.
The solution however is not to disband the entire H1b system/EB greencard system as the anti immigrants want but to modify the rules surrounding it. I think most fair minded people can agree that this is needed now.
This is one area I think most people can agree upon. It might seem at first glance to be a victimless crime, but we clearly know otherwise.
This just goes to show how lopsided EB immigration is in favour of the employer. When companies without much reputation wantonly disregard the rules, and blatantly advertise like this, the USCIS/US gov't ought to reconsider whether they are deserving of such power. If not because such practices hurt those like us, then because they hurt US workers as well.
The solution however is not to disband the entire H1b system/EB greencard system as the anti immigrants want but to modify the rules surrounding it. I think most fair minded people can agree that this is needed now.
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andymajumder
06-02 03:42 PM
country quota is not racial discrimination...u must be a fool to say that.
To change the country quota..they have to change the whole philosophy of immigration in this country... Equal opportunity for all...
Its absurd to try to change the country quota..we must try for recapture..instead..
Why is it absurd to change the country quota? What is the use of the country quota..is it necessary for diversity? The primary basis by which a person qualifies for employment based GC is through his academic qualifications and work experience....how is deciding how many GCs you would give based on country of birth relevant in this case. What is the basis of such a rule unless you want to limit the no. of people coming from countries which produce large no. of qualified, educated people. How is this fair considering that India and China produce at least 10 times more college graduates than most other countries in the world other than the USA.
If promoting diversity was the cause, there's already a diversity GC process and people from India, China and some other countries are not eligible to apply in those categories.
If limiting people from certain ethinic backgrounds based on current population of USA is a criterion - lets get this fact straight - Indian americans are less than 0.4% of US population there are far more people of vietnamese, philipino and few other southeast asian origin in the USA. In fact if limiting people of certain ethnic background from becoming larger part of the population and maintaining racial diversity had been a criterion, people of Irish, Polish, British, German (or most EU countries) shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to US at all since people of those heritage already form large % of the population. Yet, any similarly qualified person from these countries can get a EB GC in a year or two now while an Indian has to wait 8 - 10 years.
I am quite sure a skilled civil rights lawyer can prove the current situation against Indians in EB category as case of discrimation based on country of birth, since the stated goal of the EB category is immigration based on skills and academic qualifications.
To change the country quota..they have to change the whole philosophy of immigration in this country... Equal opportunity for all...
Its absurd to try to change the country quota..we must try for recapture..instead..
Why is it absurd to change the country quota? What is the use of the country quota..is it necessary for diversity? The primary basis by which a person qualifies for employment based GC is through his academic qualifications and work experience....how is deciding how many GCs you would give based on country of birth relevant in this case. What is the basis of such a rule unless you want to limit the no. of people coming from countries which produce large no. of qualified, educated people. How is this fair considering that India and China produce at least 10 times more college graduates than most other countries in the world other than the USA.
If promoting diversity was the cause, there's already a diversity GC process and people from India, China and some other countries are not eligible to apply in those categories.
If limiting people from certain ethinic backgrounds based on current population of USA is a criterion - lets get this fact straight - Indian americans are less than 0.4% of US population there are far more people of vietnamese, philipino and few other southeast asian origin in the USA. In fact if limiting people of certain ethnic background from becoming larger part of the population and maintaining racial diversity had been a criterion, people of Irish, Polish, British, German (or most EU countries) shouldn't be allowed to immigrate to US at all since people of those heritage already form large % of the population. Yet, any similarly qualified person from these countries can get a EB GC in a year or two now while an Indian has to wait 8 - 10 years.
I am quite sure a skilled civil rights lawyer can prove the current situation against Indians in EB category as case of discrimation based on country of birth, since the stated goal of the EB category is immigration based on skills and academic qualifications.
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bitu72
11-03 03:14 PM
are you going to be there and then look for job..also what sites are you using to search for job. biggest advantage of going there is you can do you own business.
how long did it take to complete the whole process.
how long did it take to complete the whole process.
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django.stone
06-15 02:12 PM
i like this idea and you have my support.
People need to understand that you need to give some to win some. I would like to propose to IV a kind of proposal that would be a win win for both the immigrants and the US.
1. It is meaningless to fight for the rights of ALL the visa holders. Any such attempts would always be resisted by the anti immigrant lobby.
2. Acknowledge their fundamental point of view that jobs are being stolen due to wage destruction and perpetual visa fraud by these outsourcing companies. Of course resist all these racist BS types. They are the just the noise in the immigration debate.
My Proposal
1. Support the Grassley bill in its entirety. If you notice it is those outsourcing companies that are making all the noise but not the genuine companies that use H1B for innovation purposes. These outsourcing neither follow the rules or spirit of the H1B/L1 visas nor provide much of innovation to the market place. There is no point in expecting them to police themselves. We have tried this and they are not here to play by the rules.
2. In fact, provide the concessions to eliminate the H1/L1 visas for these outsourcers. In return, request visa number recapture for the H1Bs who are employed directly by the companies. I strongly believe that if you are a H1B employed directly by the company (not outsourcing cos), it is unlikely that you would be underskilled or underpaid. A few minor expections may be there but we can safely ignore these exceptions.
3. Again, people may argue that some of the consultants are highly skilled too. If that were the case, they would have been or would be hired into a permenant position soon once the Grassley bill passes. No company would like to let go of a good performer irrespective of whether they are permenant employees or contractors.
If you notice, some people echo the sentiment that the Grassley bill would lead to more offshoring. That in my opinion is absolute BS. Only low level jobs would be offshored and in my opinion a h1b visa should not be used for these low level jobs. The high skilled jobs would always stay here and they would not be under wage pressure. The best and the fittest would survive and get the same.
I strongly believe that by providing these concessions, atleast the skilled immigrants would be sparred the trauma of this mindless wait for a GC. I wish to reiterate here that I am neither anti immigration nor anti any ethnicity. I am simply trying to reiterate that we need to lose some to win some. There is no point in the Indian style of negotiations of win all or win none. Let us adapt to the give some take some style of concession building. In this process, it is okay to give up on the interests of those blood sucking outsourcers. For this, I am willing to provide financial, logistical and intellectual support.
By following this route, we prevent wage destruction which is what the anti immigrant lobby is clamouring about. It is a win win for all and a lose situation for the blood suckers
People need to understand that you need to give some to win some. I would like to propose to IV a kind of proposal that would be a win win for both the immigrants and the US.
1. It is meaningless to fight for the rights of ALL the visa holders. Any such attempts would always be resisted by the anti immigrant lobby.
2. Acknowledge their fundamental point of view that jobs are being stolen due to wage destruction and perpetual visa fraud by these outsourcing companies. Of course resist all these racist BS types. They are the just the noise in the immigration debate.
My Proposal
1. Support the Grassley bill in its entirety. If you notice it is those outsourcing companies that are making all the noise but not the genuine companies that use H1B for innovation purposes. These outsourcing neither follow the rules or spirit of the H1B/L1 visas nor provide much of innovation to the market place. There is no point in expecting them to police themselves. We have tried this and they are not here to play by the rules.
2. In fact, provide the concessions to eliminate the H1/L1 visas for these outsourcers. In return, request visa number recapture for the H1Bs who are employed directly by the companies. I strongly believe that if you are a H1B employed directly by the company (not outsourcing cos), it is unlikely that you would be underskilled or underpaid. A few minor expections may be there but we can safely ignore these exceptions.
3. Again, people may argue that some of the consultants are highly skilled too. If that were the case, they would have been or would be hired into a permenant position soon once the Grassley bill passes. No company would like to let go of a good performer irrespective of whether they are permenant employees or contractors.
If you notice, some people echo the sentiment that the Grassley bill would lead to more offshoring. That in my opinion is absolute BS. Only low level jobs would be offshored and in my opinion a h1b visa should not be used for these low level jobs. The high skilled jobs would always stay here and they would not be under wage pressure. The best and the fittest would survive and get the same.
I strongly believe that by providing these concessions, atleast the skilled immigrants would be sparred the trauma of this mindless wait for a GC. I wish to reiterate here that I am neither anti immigration nor anti any ethnicity. I am simply trying to reiterate that we need to lose some to win some. There is no point in the Indian style of negotiations of win all or win none. Let us adapt to the give some take some style of concession building. In this process, it is okay to give up on the interests of those blood sucking outsourcers. For this, I am willing to provide financial, logistical and intellectual support.
By following this route, we prevent wage destruction which is what the anti immigrant lobby is clamouring about. It is a win win for all and a lose situation for the blood suckers
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h1b_forever
07-28 03:48 PM
Good one
With your attitude, you will not even become millionaire in Zimbabwean dollars.:D:D:D
With your attitude, you will not even become millionaire in Zimbabwean dollars.:D:D:D
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JazzByTheBay
07-11 08:19 PM
Have heard good things about Maple Intl. We filed on our own without any agencies. It's not terribly complicated, and certainly not the nightmare that getting a US permanent residence is with its 3-step process of LCA, I-140 petition for immigrant worker and I-485 AOS (or CP).
At times I wonder why they continue with this terribly complicated process in the U.S. - it clearly isn't working, but as long as it keeps the hordes of DoL and USCIS folks employed, I guess it serves its purpose.
jazz
Maple International is very good if you are in the west
At times I wonder why they continue with this terribly complicated process in the U.S. - it clearly isn't working, but as long as it keeps the hordes of DoL and USCIS folks employed, I guess it serves its purpose.
jazz
Maple International is very good if you are in the west
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AirWaterandGC
05-09 11:04 PM
Anyone with any comments on this, please share
I do have my CA PR. Waiting for US GC, my CA PR clock is ticking. Once I am more than 3 years past in the CA PR card and if I still dont go to CA, I understand that my CA PR may not be renewed. My question is : Is is possible to at least enter CA for the last (during 5th) year of CA PR ? Also is it possible to re-apply for the CA PR once I am say 4 years done in my CA PR life without entering CA ? Gurus , please shed some light.
On another note : I would request no one to make offensive remarks about a great country like Canada. It may not have as many opportunities as US has or be a lot more restricitve in providing licensure to some professionals, but please bear in mind that it has provided respect to some of us by making some of us it PR .... which the great US is still to bestow on us. Even when we have not contributed a single cent to CA or its economy while we have earned/contributed millions to the US / its economy.
I do have my CA PR. Waiting for US GC, my CA PR clock is ticking. Once I am more than 3 years past in the CA PR card and if I still dont go to CA, I understand that my CA PR may not be renewed. My question is : Is is possible to at least enter CA for the last (during 5th) year of CA PR ? Also is it possible to re-apply for the CA PR once I am say 4 years done in my CA PR life without entering CA ? Gurus , please shed some light.
On another note : I would request no one to make offensive remarks about a great country like Canada. It may not have as many opportunities as US has or be a lot more restricitve in providing licensure to some professionals, but please bear in mind that it has provided respect to some of us by making some of us it PR .... which the great US is still to bestow on us. Even when we have not contributed a single cent to CA or its economy while we have earned/contributed millions to the US / its economy.
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JalwaeJana
09-15 12:57 PM
Guys you for got that Eb2 applicant include thos that do not require labor . Also for each labor you would consume 2.3 to 2.5 visa , as with every approved labor there is a spouse and in some cases kids. So to clear 20,000 labor we need 40K visa spilled over to clear all of 2006 plus Eb2 cases that do not require labor
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mheggade
02-14 12:24 PM
I understand the mood among fellow Indians , due to substantial dates movement for ROW but it dint move enough for India. Lets take the high road and stop bickering among ourselves and lets get back to the Action Item which needs to be done.
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muni_k
07-08 06:44 PM
I am in the 6th year of my H1b.expires end august 2008.I have applied for I-140 in may of 2008 after my labor got audited and finally approved in may2008.My labor application was in sept 2008.I can probably recapture the time spent outside the country to take it past 1 year of labor certificate application(in order to apply for H1b extension).can i avail of premium processing for my i140 to get a possible 3 year extension or not.to me it seems not given that as per USCIS website :
USCIS is limiting Premium Processing Service for Form I-140 petitions that are filed on behalf of aliens:
Whose sixth year will end within 60 days;
Who are only eligible for a further extension of H-1B nonimmigrant status under section 104(c) of the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-first Century Act of 2000 (AC21); and
Who are ineligible to extend their H-1B status under section 106(a) of AC21.
Section 104(c) of AC21 permits applicants to extend their stay in H-1B nonimmigrant status in increments of up to three years, provided they are the beneficiary of an approved Form I-140 and an immigrant visa is not immediately available. Section 106(a) of AC21 permits applicants to extend their stay in H-1B nonimmigrant status in increments of up to one year, provided the Form I-140 petition or underlying labor certification has been pending for at least 365 days.
USCIS is limiting Premium Processing Service for Form I-140 petitions that are filed on behalf of aliens:
Whose sixth year will end within 60 days;
Who are only eligible for a further extension of H-1B nonimmigrant status under section 104(c) of the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-first Century Act of 2000 (AC21); and
Who are ineligible to extend their H-1B status under section 106(a) of AC21.
Section 104(c) of AC21 permits applicants to extend their stay in H-1B nonimmigrant status in increments of up to three years, provided they are the beneficiary of an approved Form I-140 and an immigrant visa is not immediately available. Section 106(a) of AC21 permits applicants to extend their stay in H-1B nonimmigrant status in increments of up to one year, provided the Form I-140 petition or underlying labor certification has been pending for at least 365 days.
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kondur_007
01-13 08:45 PM
This indeed is a very bad news. It looks to me that someone is frying a bigger fish here...
If antis target the areas of immigration that are no "well defined" so far (H1b rules is one example, another could be AC21 same or similar job and yet another could be "permanent job" after greencard), it could create a lot of problems and may even practically shut down all legal immigration.
This will only increat outsourcing and actually hurt US economy and jobs...too bad that "blinded" politicians do not recognize this.
If antis target the areas of immigration that are no "well defined" so far (H1b rules is one example, another could be AC21 same or similar job and yet another could be "permanent job" after greencard), it could create a lot of problems and may even practically shut down all legal immigration.
This will only increat outsourcing and actually hurt US economy and jobs...too bad that "blinded" politicians do not recognize this.
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lazycis
02-16 10:11 PM
Read complaint from NGWANYIA v. ASHCROFT case, you will find a lot of similarities with the current situation
http://www.ailf.org/lac/lac_lit_101802.pdf
Also those who are interested in active participation, please join yahoo group by sending e-mail to visa-recapture-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
All we need is one or two members who have time and desire to start the process.
http://www.ailf.org/lac/lac_lit_101802.pdf
Also those who are interested in active participation, please join yahoo group by sending e-mail to visa-recapture-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
All we need is one or two members who have time and desire to start the process.
Kodi
05-12 10:59 AM
What exactly is LTTE is asking for? They're asking for a seperate land within sri lanka and make it part of Tamil Nadu. So along that line of thought then why is India fighting for Kashmir?
Some of you are talking about a policy change. Can you tell me which policies that's in practice NOW discriminates tamils?
Read the artical below when u have time.
http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090310_04
Some of you are talking about a policy change. Can you tell me which policies that's in practice NOW discriminates tamils?
Read the artical below when u have time.
http://www.defence.lk/new.asp?fname=20090310_04
sreedhar
09-04 12:13 PM
nik.patelc,
That might be true..revelation of a corrupt politician...masking people deaths for a vicious cause of sympathy.
Just one quick question�?
If you get a chance as politician, Can you say you will not do any corruption? If some try to kill you, if you have power, will you be remain silent �?
Facts:
1) If the person doesn�t want to do corruption even he is politician, He always be calm and do some social work as much as he can.
2) If the person who they want to make big money in easy way�they will choose politics and step by step they grow and do some cheatings like CBN did to NTR Or else as you mentioned YSR kill some people and become powerful politician like CM or some thing else. Even they don�t care about media or people like you keep telling about their cheating, factionist. They will do what they want to do.
3) People who want to do the corruption but they didn�t get a chance to do that. Searching and searching for a chance to do the corruption�But they all �GOOD FOR NOTHINGS�. Those people will always talk about other people corruptions and factionist stories even they don�t have enough knowledge. I men to say JUST LIKE YOU.
Hope you got the point here.
That might be true..revelation of a corrupt politician...masking people deaths for a vicious cause of sympathy.
Just one quick question�?
If you get a chance as politician, Can you say you will not do any corruption? If some try to kill you, if you have power, will you be remain silent �?
Facts:
1) If the person doesn�t want to do corruption even he is politician, He always be calm and do some social work as much as he can.
2) If the person who they want to make big money in easy way�they will choose politics and step by step they grow and do some cheatings like CBN did to NTR Or else as you mentioned YSR kill some people and become powerful politician like CM or some thing else. Even they don�t care about media or people like you keep telling about their cheating, factionist. They will do what they want to do.
3) People who want to do the corruption but they didn�t get a chance to do that. Searching and searching for a chance to do the corruption�But they all �GOOD FOR NOTHINGS�. Those people will always talk about other people corruptions and factionist stories even they don�t have enough knowledge. I men to say JUST LIKE YOU.
Hope you got the point here.
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