GC9180
09-25 03:20 PM
monthly number calculations not quarterly or yearly
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum5-all-other-green-card-issues/628361-useful-links-how-visa-allocation-happens.html#post967308
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/87963.pdf
from the above doc
"9 FAM APPENDIX D, 405 NUMERICAL CONTROL"
.... Each month a determination is made regarding the number of visas that can be made
available on a worldwide basis. .......
Numbers are made available in the chronological order of the applicant’s
priority dates. The monthly cut-off dates, which are used to determine
whether an applicant’s case is eligible for final interview, are published in the
Visa Bulletin available on the CA Intranet site....".
http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/forum5-all-other-green-card-issues/628361-useful-links-how-visa-allocation-happens.html#post967308
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/87963.pdf
from the above doc
"9 FAM APPENDIX D, 405 NUMERICAL CONTROL"
.... Each month a determination is made regarding the number of visas that can be made
available on a worldwide basis. .......
Numbers are made available in the chronological order of the applicant’s
priority dates. The monthly cut-off dates, which are used to determine
whether an applicant’s case is eligible for final interview, are published in the
Visa Bulletin available on the CA Intranet site....".
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grupak
12-14 04:48 PM
Simple. If it wasn't for that ceiling the vast majority of the visas will go to applicants from the oversubscribed countries. Now this is not a bad thing if the visas are in unlimited supply. But since that's not the case, the country ceiling ensures that even people from smaller nations will get an equal oportunity to claim a visa before all the visa are grabbed by their BIG brothers and sisters. And what's more what ever is left is given back to the oversubscribed countries.
How can you call that unfair? Is it fair to deprive a person from a smaller country, equal chance to have go at his GC?
In the current situation, removing the country limit is not a solution because almost everyone is backlogged. On the other hand increasing the total number of GC even by a factor of 2 might not be the solution either because countries like China, India, Mexico and Philippines will likely still be backlogged.
IV is for everyone. Its not just for Indians only, and that is what I believe in. To help everyone, IV is pushing both increasing the total number and also increasing the per country limit. As I explained both of these have to go together otherwise it does not help.
How can you call that unfair? Is it fair to deprive a person from a smaller country, equal chance to have go at his GC?
In the current situation, removing the country limit is not a solution because almost everyone is backlogged. On the other hand increasing the total number of GC even by a factor of 2 might not be the solution either because countries like China, India, Mexico and Philippines will likely still be backlogged.
IV is for everyone. Its not just for Indians only, and that is what I believe in. To help everyone, IV is pushing both increasing the total number and also increasing the per country limit. As I explained both of these have to go together otherwise it does not help.
Life2Live
01-15 02:56 PM
This rule will be disaster for my life, it is leaving me no option other than to go home if H1B not get extended. I have been here in US for last 7 years and own a house, I do have Kids US citizens. I am getting my H1b extenstion year by year since my labour is approved and I-140 is pending.
It looks like I should stop making mortgage payments immediately and be prepare to go back this year.
It looks like I should stop making mortgage payments immediately and be prepare to go back this year.
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glus
06-27 07:34 AM
This is what my very very high profile attorney wrote in her email to me today....
" We have heard that there will be a visa regression the first week of July "
And in immigration matters I trust her more than anybody in this whole country. So guys be ready and prepared. Do what u have to do. Be proactive.
My post is not to spread rumors or scare people but to help them to grab this golden opportunity.
I am ready to send papers for July 1st.
Visa bulletin is based on the demand for visas. An immigrant vise is ISSUED when a GC is approved, and not filed. When a person receives an I485 approval letter that means his immigrant visa was assigned to him and that an immigrant visa number was used. Same applies to consular processing. The bottom line is that unless USCIS approves a huge amount of GCs in the coming months, the DOS can't and won't make adjustments in the middle of the month. STOP THIS RUMOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
" We have heard that there will be a visa regression the first week of July "
And in immigration matters I trust her more than anybody in this whole country. So guys be ready and prepared. Do what u have to do. Be proactive.
My post is not to spread rumors or scare people but to help them to grab this golden opportunity.
I am ready to send papers for July 1st.
Visa bulletin is based on the demand for visas. An immigrant vise is ISSUED when a GC is approved, and not filed. When a person receives an I485 approval letter that means his immigrant visa was assigned to him and that an immigrant visa number was used. Same applies to consular processing. The bottom line is that unless USCIS approves a huge amount of GCs in the coming months, the DOS can't and won't make adjustments in the middle of the month. STOP THIS RUMOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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small2006
08-18 06:41 PM
You are so wrong here...its not about growing balls or Americans getting frisked in Indian airports.
It is SRK's BIG EGO that was hurt, the fact that the officer did not "recognize" SRK - the "king khan" and made him go through a rough ordeal. That is all it is about. And to me SRK has never been an honest human being. It is all a put on appearance, whether its in his movies or real life. He is very measured and guarded when talking to the media and presents his affable side. So get over it and look at the incident for what it is - i.e, SRK's big ego burst open. Its not about American security or Indian security or racial profiling. Everyone is just trying to make it out to be that but you need to be able to see thorugh that.
When a person of Dr Kalam's stature did not even talk about his experience with Continental until months later, who the heck is SRK to make it out to be such a big deal? What is his achievement and/or contribution to the country after all? Making loads of money? Buying houses in London and Dubai?? Give me a freakin' break.
simply racial profiling.
i dont think SRK is over reacting.. many desis who are accepting that its a way of life suffer from "Slave Mentality".
When was the last time.. a US diplomat or US socialite was frisked and detained for 2 hrs in indian airports?
To all the jocks who argue "its part of life"..my advise grow some balls and realize one thing.. no matter how long u live here.. no matter whether u have GC or PC...u will always be treated like third class citizens.
In the end its the color.. do you know beta.
for the record.i am no SRK fan.
Mamooty.. who is he?
It is SRK's BIG EGO that was hurt, the fact that the officer did not "recognize" SRK - the "king khan" and made him go through a rough ordeal. That is all it is about. And to me SRK has never been an honest human being. It is all a put on appearance, whether its in his movies or real life. He is very measured and guarded when talking to the media and presents his affable side. So get over it and look at the incident for what it is - i.e, SRK's big ego burst open. Its not about American security or Indian security or racial profiling. Everyone is just trying to make it out to be that but you need to be able to see thorugh that.
When a person of Dr Kalam's stature did not even talk about his experience with Continental until months later, who the heck is SRK to make it out to be such a big deal? What is his achievement and/or contribution to the country after all? Making loads of money? Buying houses in London and Dubai?? Give me a freakin' break.
simply racial profiling.
i dont think SRK is over reacting.. many desis who are accepting that its a way of life suffer from "Slave Mentality".
When was the last time.. a US diplomat or US socialite was frisked and detained for 2 hrs in indian airports?
To all the jocks who argue "its part of life"..my advise grow some balls and realize one thing.. no matter how long u live here.. no matter whether u have GC or PC...u will always be treated like third class citizens.
In the end its the color.. do you know beta.
for the record.i am no SRK fan.
Mamooty.. who is he?
GKBest
02-14 01:07 AM
can you also please care to do the percentage with total applicants ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by lazycis View Post
How about facts? In 2006, Philippines received 23,733 EB visas, India - 17,169. No other country received more. China received 9,484.
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...6/table10d.xls
LAZYCIS......don't forget the fact that in 2006 there was still Schedule A...that's why Philippines and India was given more visa #s.
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Originally Posted by lazycis View Post
How about facts? In 2006, Philippines received 23,733 EB visas, India - 17,169. No other country received more. China received 9,484.
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/s...6/table10d.xls
LAZYCIS......don't forget the fact that in 2006 there was still Schedule A...that's why Philippines and India was given more visa #s.
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oliTwist
06-14 12:44 PM
For most of the ppl with hateful comments, Reality sucks and bites back. I agree with dilip and unfortunately, among billions voices and opinions dont matter. Just brutal personal attacks.
That said. We cant stop the outsourcing and dumping. Today is biilions from India and china and tomorrow rest of billions from rest of world (like Africa and rest).
If you dont have any proper counter argument, dont post. Period, dont stoop to personal attack.(race,caste,place and commutiy and alma mater).
Grow up folks.
That said. We cant stop the outsourcing and dumping. Today is biilions from India and china and tomorrow rest of billions from rest of world (like Africa and rest).
If you dont have any proper counter argument, dont post. Period, dont stoop to personal attack.(race,caste,place and commutiy and alma mater).
Grow up folks.
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eb2_mumbai
09-15 03:10 PM
Since EB2-I is slowly catching up with EB2-C, future spill overs will be split between the two categories and not all will go to EB2-I.
you are correct India will get only 50% of sipill over numbers and we need to take into account how many China applications are pending (perhaps there are more China apps than India in EB2)
you are correct India will get only 50% of sipill over numbers and we need to take into account how many China applications are pending (perhaps there are more China apps than India in EB2)
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msp1976
02-18 10:12 PM
I understand that there is concern about people from visitor visa category (Tourist B1 B2)would be filing for green cards and that shall cause the retrogression to be perpetual...a few adjustments to the applicable statute can rectify that...
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vdlrao
07-25 07:01 PM
I still believe in EB2 will try to catch up current by next October.
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bfadlia
02-15 04:31 PM
Who is preventing people of ROW for applying H1b or Green card EB ? Employers look for availability of talent not for country of origin and anyone who competes in the global market wins. If ROW countries have less people with marketable skills or less people who want to work outside their countries,it is not the problem of Chinese or Indians. There is no logic with Employers being forced to wait for visa numbers to comply with diversity. There should be a FIFO system without any country of birth barriers. USCIS wastes more annual visa numbers due to these country caps. Lets make these guys fine tune this immigration system which is actually against the free market capitalist principles of this country.
Employers hire only based on talent, ROW people must have less marketable skills or not want to leave their countries and we need to teach the US on capitalist principles.
You are absolutely right, you didn't miss my point, you completely lost touch with reality.
People who keep asking that we just stop the discussion, tell me how we can focus on the issues with people telling us there r more of them here because they are smarter and more marketable. Is this their idea of how to bring us together?
Employers hire only based on talent, ROW people must have less marketable skills or not want to leave their countries and we need to teach the US on capitalist principles.
You are absolutely right, you didn't miss my point, you completely lost touch with reality.
People who keep asking that we just stop the discussion, tell me how we can focus on the issues with people telling us there r more of them here because they are smarter and more marketable. Is this their idea of how to bring us together?
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wandmaker
07-22 02:16 PM
See, we need to understand, life is a Lottery. No place for Logic. USCIS LOVES lottery...after diversity visa lottery, they are also doing LOTTERY for H1 now, and one day if they like the idea of doing LOTTERY, for EB cases, they might throw away this all mambo jambo of EB1,2,3/PD/RD/ROW/IN/CH...and JUST DO THE LOTTERY!! After this post, I will go buy a Californial Lotto...;)
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god_bless_you
10-17 02:09 PM
I am finally moving to canada in 2-3 months. Deadline for landing is March 3rd 2007.
I am done with US Green Card and can not take this stress any more. Starting to sell my house and other stuff soon.
is the information on this website www.notcanada.com is reliable?
is the job market that worst there??
I am done with US Green Card and can not take this stress any more. Starting to sell my house and other stuff soon.
is the information on this website www.notcanada.com is reliable?
is the job market that worst there??
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PlainSpeak
01-13 12:57 PM
why doesn't anyone in iv core get it dammit..... this is crystal clear..... what more do u want...... now get mov'in & get green cards for all of us by next week..... :rolleyes:
why doesn't anyone in iv core get it dammit..... this is crystal clear..... what more do u want...... now get mov'in & get green cards for all of us by next week.....
For a second after seeing your statement i thought some is getting what i am saying but the smile at the very end destroyed that illusion
But in any case whether you agree with me or not (or whether as some say i am in cloud cooko land- to which all i can say is i woke up when will you) i appreciate a reply to the post
why doesn't anyone in iv core get it dammit..... this is crystal clear..... what more do u want...... now get mov'in & get green cards for all of us by next week.....
For a second after seeing your statement i thought some is getting what i am saying but the smile at the very end destroyed that illusion
But in any case whether you agree with me or not (or whether as some say i am in cloud cooko land- to which all i can say is i woke up when will you) i appreciate a reply to the post
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StillonH1B
03-27 03:56 PM
I just now posted that how no one mentioned Dr. JayaprakashNarayan. Well someone did mention.
I guess that's not enough. There are lot of people who are not aware of this great leader.We need to spread the word about LokSatta.
My vote is for Dr. Jaya Prakash Narayan. He has done good things as a doctor and then as a collector in AP.
Of course he stands no chance, but I think he started a movement (grassroots) - hopefully it is the beginning of some positive change.
Check out his speech at a Mumbai university.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4xFCdOYTv4 - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q6s1R9iBjw - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ZHak1lEr8 - Part 3
Cheers.
I guess that's not enough. There are lot of people who are not aware of this great leader.We need to spread the word about LokSatta.
My vote is for Dr. Jaya Prakash Narayan. He has done good things as a doctor and then as a collector in AP.
Of course he stands no chance, but I think he started a movement (grassroots) - hopefully it is the beginning of some positive change.
Check out his speech at a Mumbai university.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4xFCdOYTv4 - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q6s1R9iBjw - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6ZHak1lEr8 - Part 3
Cheers.
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la6470
01-17 12:31 AM
Please read this article.
The Insightful Immigration Blog � Commentaries on Immigration Policy, Cases and Trends: NEW USCIS MEMO ON EMPLOYER-EMPLOYEE RELATIONSHIP FOR H-1B PETITIONS: IS IT A WAY TO KEEP CERTAIN WORKERS OUT? (http://cyrusmehta.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-uscis-memo-on-employer-employee.html)
I feel IV can join hands with AILA on this to help us in this situation.
Any new renewals or new H1 filings are bound to be denied unless its a direct employer vs employee relationship. Third party placement indications are bound to be targeted for denial!
We are literaly doomed. Given the slugglishness of the GC process this is bound to cripple us down.
I am feeling sad for those H1B guys who were deported out of Newark thanks to these crooked laws. The laws may be right in their perspective, but they do not understand the havoc it would have created in the lives of those who felt the impact.
I wish and pray for the good of all and those GC/H1B aspirants during these troubled times now and up ahead.
Thanks for the post. I have also expressed my opinion in Mr Mehta's blog who was courageous enough to spell out in clear terms the discriminatory practices of USCIS. We should in no uncertain terms, pull down the mask that USCIS is wearing while practicing pure discrimination and segregation - that is completely alien to the American constitution and society.
The Insightful Immigration Blog � Commentaries on Immigration Policy, Cases and Trends: NEW USCIS MEMO ON EMPLOYER-EMPLOYEE RELATIONSHIP FOR H-1B PETITIONS: IS IT A WAY TO KEEP CERTAIN WORKERS OUT? (http://cyrusmehta.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-uscis-memo-on-employer-employee.html)
I feel IV can join hands with AILA on this to help us in this situation.
Any new renewals or new H1 filings are bound to be denied unless its a direct employer vs employee relationship. Third party placement indications are bound to be targeted for denial!
We are literaly doomed. Given the slugglishness of the GC process this is bound to cripple us down.
I am feeling sad for those H1B guys who were deported out of Newark thanks to these crooked laws. The laws may be right in their perspective, but they do not understand the havoc it would have created in the lives of those who felt the impact.
I wish and pray for the good of all and those GC/H1B aspirants during these troubled times now and up ahead.
Thanks for the post. I have also expressed my opinion in Mr Mehta's blog who was courageous enough to spell out in clear terms the discriminatory practices of USCIS. We should in no uncertain terms, pull down the mask that USCIS is wearing while practicing pure discrimination and segregation - that is completely alien to the American constitution and society.
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senthil1
09-26 08:43 AM
US economy situation is alarming. I doubt they will consider any immigration related bill until financial crisis stablises.2009 will be the key.Economy has to stablise. If not anti immigrants will block any bill citing the economy as the reason. If unemployment increases every month then any immigration reform is distance possiblity.Illegal immigrants are is getting publicity every year by rally for past 4 years but nothing happened. Pro immigrants are trying to block E-verify and some other anti immigration reforms. Anti immigrants are trying to block pro immigrant reforms. So any immigration reforms will be stalled until some compromise reached by moderates
no comments from anyone on this ..I guess most of us are resigned to our fate ? no problems though since I have also given up ...GC will come when it has to ...it is better to have plan B and plan C ..(i.e. be ready to accept that there is a good chance that getting GC will become more complicated esp if there are layoff's everywhere ..I guess there is already a thread regarding issues faced by people who had to use AC21)
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I guess most of us are angry and resigned to fate ..what if we come with a shock therapy campaign ..i.e. get thousands of legal immigrant signatures ...and say we are fed up with the broken system and we intend to give up and leave US soon .. if this gets lot of publicity then atleast someone (maybe one of the presidential candidate) will come up with a solid promise to do something ??
I have posted this in other threads to get more inputs ...I guess we need something dramatic especially when our cause is dying ...point is to get maximum publicity ..maybe flowers + the intent to leave USA
no comments from anyone on this ..I guess most of us are resigned to our fate ? no problems though since I have also given up ...GC will come when it has to ...it is better to have plan B and plan C ..(i.e. be ready to accept that there is a good chance that getting GC will become more complicated esp if there are layoff's everywhere ..I guess there is already a thread regarding issues faced by people who had to use AC21)
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I guess most of us are angry and resigned to fate ..what if we come with a shock therapy campaign ..i.e. get thousands of legal immigrant signatures ...and say we are fed up with the broken system and we intend to give up and leave US soon .. if this gets lot of publicity then atleast someone (maybe one of the presidential candidate) will come up with a solid promise to do something ??
I have posted this in other threads to get more inputs ...I guess we need something dramatic especially when our cause is dying ...point is to get maximum publicity ..maybe flowers + the intent to leave USA
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andy garcia
02-12 09:30 PM
Agreed this is discrimination, what stops us from fighting this discrimination using legal class action lawsuit? Is it the money required or did a lawsuit fail earlier that inhibits us to file class action lawsuit?
It is the law. You can try to sue congress.
INA: ACT 202 - NUMERICAL LIMITATION TO ANY SINGLE FOREIGN STATE
(a) Per Country Level. -
(1) Nondiscrimination. -
(A) Except as specifically provided in paragraph (2) no person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an IV because of the person's race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence.
(B) Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to limit the authority of the Secretary of State to determine the procedures for the processing of IV applications or the locations where such applications will be processed.
(2) Per country levels for family-sponsored and employment-based immigrants. - Subject to 1a/ paragraphs (3), (4), and (5) the total number of IVs made available to natives of any single foreign state or dependent area under subsections (a) and (b) of section 203 in any FY may not exceed 7 percent (in the case of a single foreign state) or 2 percent (in the case of a dependent area) of the total number of such visas made available under such subsections in that fiscal year.
(3) Exception if additional visas available. - If because of the application of paragraph (2) with respect to one or more foreign states or dependent areas, the total number of visas available under both subsections (a) and (b) of section 203 for a calendar quarter exceeds the number of qualified immigrants who otherwise may be issued such a visa, paragraph (2) shall not apply to visas made available to such states or areas during the remainder of such calendar quarter.
It is the law. You can try to sue congress.
INA: ACT 202 - NUMERICAL LIMITATION TO ANY SINGLE FOREIGN STATE
(a) Per Country Level. -
(1) Nondiscrimination. -
(A) Except as specifically provided in paragraph (2) no person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an IV because of the person's race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence.
(B) Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to limit the authority of the Secretary of State to determine the procedures for the processing of IV applications or the locations where such applications will be processed.
(2) Per country levels for family-sponsored and employment-based immigrants. - Subject to 1a/ paragraphs (3), (4), and (5) the total number of IVs made available to natives of any single foreign state or dependent area under subsections (a) and (b) of section 203 in any FY may not exceed 7 percent (in the case of a single foreign state) or 2 percent (in the case of a dependent area) of the total number of such visas made available under such subsections in that fiscal year.
(3) Exception if additional visas available. - If because of the application of paragraph (2) with respect to one or more foreign states or dependent areas, the total number of visas available under both subsections (a) and (b) of section 203 for a calendar quarter exceeds the number of qualified immigrants who otherwise may be issued such a visa, paragraph (2) shall not apply to visas made available to such states or areas during the remainder of such calendar quarter.
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jonty_11
02-12 02:11 PM
man..I do not see any hope for India...EB2 esp.
This sucks...we are in for along haul teh indians on this community...brace urselves.
This sucks...we are in for along haul teh indians on this community...brace urselves.
thomachan72
01-14 07:03 AM
This news has left a lot of our members without sleep I guess. There could be somany people who might be involved in such contract comapanies. At some point we will have to decide between; Can I/we do something about this or how do I prepare myself for such an eventuality.
I think IV members should work with AILA by offering support and seek their advice on how to understand and face this issue. Some of our members pointed out the AILA is working on this issue so let us contact them first.
If it seems worthy enough to write to the USCIS directly (properly crafted letter not just self pity) highlighting the importance of sustaining the H1b while ofcourse preventing abuse. Highlighting that H1b is a boon to this economy and taking away jobs from one person does not essentially create job for another. The person was hired by the company/industry in the first place due to a lot of economic reasons that only a true capitalist would understand. Cutting of H1b/labelling H1b as evil and targetting it to destroy the efficacy of this system is actually socialism and this is what needs to be made very clear to the officials.
They cannot over regulate the "immigration for economic reasons". If they do they are actually destroying the very basis of growth and are "thinking socialist".
I think IV members should work with AILA by offering support and seek their advice on how to understand and face this issue. Some of our members pointed out the AILA is working on this issue so let us contact them first.
If it seems worthy enough to write to the USCIS directly (properly crafted letter not just self pity) highlighting the importance of sustaining the H1b while ofcourse preventing abuse. Highlighting that H1b is a boon to this economy and taking away jobs from one person does not essentially create job for another. The person was hired by the company/industry in the first place due to a lot of economic reasons that only a true capitalist would understand. Cutting of H1b/labelling H1b as evil and targetting it to destroy the efficacy of this system is actually socialism and this is what needs to be made very clear to the officials.
They cannot over regulate the "immigration for economic reasons". If they do they are actually destroying the very basis of growth and are "thinking socialist".
NKR
02-15 02:38 PM
Originally Posted by
You guys keep saying diversity is a FB immigration problem only not EB, hence no cap needed in EB.
REALLY? Is it a coincidence that a desi company owner will usually have 99% of his emploees Indian? Thinking that employment depends only on skills is not realistic. A lot of the networking based on national origin interferes with how at least H1 jobs are landed here. So there is a reason to have rules preventing a monopoly.
Cheers.
Who created the monopoly?. Why are there less employers from other countries?. Who is preventing other employers from not hiring people from their own country?. It is a level playing field for all entreprenuers, right?...
anyways, why don't we just patch up and move on... I am getting tired of this already and there are thousands of other people who are feeling the same.
You guys keep saying diversity is a FB immigration problem only not EB, hence no cap needed in EB.
REALLY? Is it a coincidence that a desi company owner will usually have 99% of his emploees Indian? Thinking that employment depends only on skills is not realistic. A lot of the networking based on national origin interferes with how at least H1 jobs are landed here. So there is a reason to have rules preventing a monopoly.
Cheers.
Who created the monopoly?. Why are there less employers from other countries?. Who is preventing other employers from not hiring people from their own country?. It is a level playing field for all entreprenuers, right?...
anyways, why don't we just patch up and move on... I am getting tired of this already and there are thousands of other people who are feeling the same.
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