schrodinger
08-10 11:13 PM
This is def not right...I checked out the 'News' section (see link below) on the website which published the bulletin...how come they have published only the Sept bulletin and NOT any other month's bulletin....
Pederson Immigration Law Group, P.C. - News (http://www.usvisainfo.com/content/category/1/1/31/)
Pederson Immigration Law Group, P.C. - News (http://www.usvisainfo.com/content/category/1/1/31/)
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manishs7
08-19 05:24 PM
no please donot do that there shouldnt be any recapture
WTF.. in the other thread you said no SKILL bill. Get the hell out of the IV.:mad:
WTF.. in the other thread you said no SKILL bill. Get the hell out of the IV.:mad:
India_USA
05-07 10:32 AM
Will be joining in this year! Will contact my state chapter leader for further coordination.
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JulyFiler
09-22 02:31 PM
and yes education. The difference between Legals and Ilegals has to be constantly highlighte. Illegals take and take and take from the society. Legals give and give and give.
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cnathani
01-09 08:50 AM
WaldenPond,
I have just contributed using paypal. I really appreciate the efforts you are putting into this. Is there any introductory email that can be sent to prospective members to spur their interest and compel them to come join and contribute?
I would like to send such an email to my contacts. I am sure many people can use that.
Thanks
I have just contributed using paypal. I really appreciate the efforts you are putting into this. Is there any introductory email that can be sent to prospective members to spur their interest and compel them to come join and contribute?
I would like to send such an email to my contacts. I am sure many people can use that.
Thanks
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09-22 03:13 PM
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Poll Added Folks....Lets burn those line..even if you have to go use those Milky Rollover minutes ( They are perfectly fine to user here...you don't have to throw them away )
Please evey one should call.
Call Baby Call!!!
Poll Added Folks....Lets burn those line..even if you have to go use those Milky Rollover minutes ( They are perfectly fine to user here...you don't have to throw them away )
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indianindian2006
09-05 01:50 PM
Recently I returned after a one month trip to India. At DC airport the CBP secondary inspection officer grilled us rough. First he called my wife and asked why did we leave US. She told that since my parents are old and not in good health we visited them. Then he started asking for documents proving it. And told us that without documents he won't let us enter. He went on to say that AP is only on humanitarian basis and unless CBP officer is satisfied with proof they cannot allow AP holder to enter. Finally after convincing him for another 30 min he let us in.
This was a really shocking experience. Are employment based GC's AP supposed to be treated like humanitarian AP? or was the CBP officer over reacting? Gurus please throw some light.
Sorry to hear your experiance,maybe you came across the wrong person,my wife traveled 3 times on AP recently as she had a family emergency and had a good experiance all the 3 times.Shows once again how important it is to get the GC so that this intimidation can end.
This was a really shocking experience. Are employment based GC's AP supposed to be treated like humanitarian AP? or was the CBP officer over reacting? Gurus please throw some light.
Sorry to hear your experiance,maybe you came across the wrong person,my wife traveled 3 times on AP recently as she had a family emergency and had a good experiance all the 3 times.Shows once again how important it is to get the GC so that this intimidation can end.
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pitha
04-25 06:55 PM
A good delaying tactic. In reality to implement such a proposal they might takes years to come up with a methadology and then to implement it. In the mean while all EB immigration bills can be kept on hold while the points system is being "evaluated"
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JazzByTheBay
05-24 08:15 PM
What was really pathetic - dependents of L1 visa holders were allowed to work, whereas dependents of H1 visas - the H4s, were not!
All they're left to do - if they don't qualify or have any interest in a high-tech field - is to listen to frustrations of their H1-holder spouses about this whole immigration mess!
jazz
I totally agree with Arunmohan- We H4's are not considered basic human beings here, we are not allowed to work ,may of us experience difficulty in getting a drivers license, we cannot have an independent bank account- literally we are considered as without life. I do wish I came in here illegally, at least i see hope for illegals in these bills - what do H4 Visa holders have to wait for !!!
All they're left to do - if they don't qualify or have any interest in a high-tech field - is to listen to frustrations of their H1-holder spouses about this whole immigration mess!
jazz
I totally agree with Arunmohan- We H4's are not considered basic human beings here, we are not allowed to work ,may of us experience difficulty in getting a drivers license, we cannot have an independent bank account- literally we are considered as without life. I do wish I came in here illegally, at least i see hope for illegals in these bills - what do H4 Visa holders have to wait for !!!
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somegchuh
05-24 04:25 PM
Can you quote how this is addressing number 1 ?
AC 21 allows people to take on new positions as soon as they get H1 transfer receipt notice. How does this law address H1 transfer?
1) AC21 is used for H1B Transfer AND
2) AC21 is use for EAD (485 phase) Job change
This bill is addressing number 1 above NOT number 2. The above scenarios reflect the current system not the future merit based or whatever else. I am assuming a case where an applicant continues under the old system.
If anyone disagrees please substantiate.
AC 21 allows people to take on new positions as soon as they get H1 transfer receipt notice. How does this law address H1 transfer?
1) AC21 is used for H1B Transfer AND
2) AC21 is use for EAD (485 phase) Job change
This bill is addressing number 1 above NOT number 2. The above scenarios reflect the current system not the future merit based or whatever else. I am assuming a case where an applicant continues under the old system.
If anyone disagrees please substantiate.
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GCBy3000
04-15 07:44 PM
May be even 5 would help at this moment.
Also I would suggest to show the data as below in the contribution sign up page where the people would get an idea before contributing.
$100 Contribution / per month -- xxx members
$50 Contribution / per month -- yyy members
$20 Contribution / per month -- zzz members
$10 Contribution / per month -- xx members
$5 Contribution / per month -- x members
This would help the new members to grasp the idea about the strength of the forum and would also give a ball park figure on which range they should go.
Can we lower minimum recurring amount to $10 a month? I can request some of my colleagues to contribute a recurring amount of $10 a month. We can probably get more ppl to join more lower limits.
Also I would suggest to show the data as below in the contribution sign up page where the people would get an idea before contributing.
$100 Contribution / per month -- xxx members
$50 Contribution / per month -- yyy members
$20 Contribution / per month -- zzz members
$10 Contribution / per month -- xx members
$5 Contribution / per month -- x members
This would help the new members to grasp the idea about the strength of the forum and would also give a ball park figure on which range they should go.
Can we lower minimum recurring amount to $10 a month? I can request some of my colleagues to contribute a recurring amount of $10 a month. We can probably get more ppl to join more lower limits.
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akela_topchi
01-14 02:04 PM
This is not for legal immigrants. It is clearly directed towards legalizing the illegals - who obviously would not leave US once they get a chance to enter.
Economy is in trouble so immigration will be on back-burner.
Still if Democrats chose to fix (really??) immigration, I think they would try to address concerns of Hispanic voters by legalize illegals and fixing family based immigration issues. This would help increase Hispanic votes, and support in 2010 elections. New Hispanic voters may make up for the non-Hispanic US votes they lose in the process.
If they address just legal immigration, it will anger both Hispanics, non-Hispanics groups and their votes in 2010 elections. So it's not a possibility.
Here are a **few equations that make it easier to understand. :) :)
VB = W + A + H + O <--- 2008 Dem vote bank.
(W: Whites, A: African American, H: Hispanics, O: Others. )
VB1 = (W - ΔW1) + (A) + (H + ΔH1) + (O) <-- pro-illegal policies
So Δ(vb1-vb) = ΔH1 - ΔW1 (it may give them some additional votes.)
VB2 = (W - ΔW2) + (A) + (H - ΔH2) + (O) <-- pro-legal policies
and Δ(vb2-vb) = - ΔH2 - ΔW2 (significant loss of white and Hispanic votes )
Based on this - Dems can't afford to be seen as Pro-legal.
** These equations are described as "Great breakthrough in computational politics" - by rb_248. :) :)
Economy is in trouble so immigration will be on back-burner.
Still if Democrats chose to fix (really??) immigration, I think they would try to address concerns of Hispanic voters by legalize illegals and fixing family based immigration issues. This would help increase Hispanic votes, and support in 2010 elections. New Hispanic voters may make up for the non-Hispanic US votes they lose in the process.
If they address just legal immigration, it will anger both Hispanics, non-Hispanics groups and their votes in 2010 elections. So it's not a possibility.
Here are a **few equations that make it easier to understand. :) :)
VB = W + A + H + O <--- 2008 Dem vote bank.
(W: Whites, A: African American, H: Hispanics, O: Others. )
VB1 = (W - ΔW1) + (A) + (H + ΔH1) + (O) <-- pro-illegal policies
So Δ(vb1-vb) = ΔH1 - ΔW1 (it may give them some additional votes.)
VB2 = (W - ΔW2) + (A) + (H - ΔH2) + (O) <-- pro-legal policies
and Δ(vb2-vb) = - ΔH2 - ΔW2 (significant loss of white and Hispanic votes )
Based on this - Dems can't afford to be seen as Pro-legal.
** These equations are described as "Great breakthrough in computational politics" - by rb_248. :) :)
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ufo2002
05-12 01:57 PM
I have been reading the CIR Bill (PDF file, dated April 24, 2006) from this website
http://www.nilc.org/immlawpolicy/CIR/index.htm#cira
Under Title VI - Work Authorization and Legalization of Undocumented Individuals.
I will just digest and summarise the interesting points:
For illegals who entered the USA before April 5, 2001...
Immediate Adjustment of Status after paying fines and any additional amounts
Must be employed for at least 3 years during the 5 year illegal presence
Employment requirement not applicable to those under 20 years of age
Employment requirement of 3 years can be reduced if proven physical or mental disability like pregnancy
Alien shall not be required to complete employment requirements with the same employer!
OK, I am not going to go on as I will leave the rest of the reading up to you all. But I need to ask this: "The adjustment of status" above... does this mean those illegals don't need to go thru LCA and I-140? Also, they don't even need to stay with the same employer at the time of applying for AOS....
Sounds like a very good deal for these people.
So could someone explain to me why we in the retrogression queue should accept this bill even if it increases H1B and promises to reduce backlogs for GC when illegals who have been here for more than 5 years (many of us also have been here that long) get special treatment? It's a really bad deal for us.
http://www.nilc.org/immlawpolicy/CIR/index.htm#cira
Under Title VI - Work Authorization and Legalization of Undocumented Individuals.
I will just digest and summarise the interesting points:
For illegals who entered the USA before April 5, 2001...
Immediate Adjustment of Status after paying fines and any additional amounts
Must be employed for at least 3 years during the 5 year illegal presence
Employment requirement not applicable to those under 20 years of age
Employment requirement of 3 years can be reduced if proven physical or mental disability like pregnancy
Alien shall not be required to complete employment requirements with the same employer!
OK, I am not going to go on as I will leave the rest of the reading up to you all. But I need to ask this: "The adjustment of status" above... does this mean those illegals don't need to go thru LCA and I-140? Also, they don't even need to stay with the same employer at the time of applying for AOS....
Sounds like a very good deal for these people.
So could someone explain to me why we in the retrogression queue should accept this bill even if it increases H1B and promises to reduce backlogs for GC when illegals who have been here for more than 5 years (many of us also have been here that long) get special treatment? It's a really bad deal for us.
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WaldenPond
02-24 11:58 AM
The main goal of IV is to bring an end to labor processing delay in the backlog center and I-485 retrogression. We have consistently mentioned this in all possible forums. This has been clearly mentioned on home page. And if there is anybody who has any doubt, we would request you to please call us at (281) 576-7185.
I am beginning to realize that for some people who do not want to contribute, there will always be plenty of reasons and plenty of excuses not to participate & contribute. I think these people are the ones who are actually responsible for the problems of all of us. Our problems do not originate in the slow GC process or the existing bad legislation. Our problems originate due to the people who are always looking for reasons to not participate or do anything or these people who are always looking for reasons to feel offended. And these people are sure doing a wonderful job because there will always be plenty of reasons to feel offended or not feel part of the group or not find enough motivation to feel part of the bigger community.
Asking questions or requesting a specific item in the goals is one thing. People beating the drum of transparency …. That is no big deal either. Everybody is entitled for their opinion. But people watching from the sidelines or for the people who want to include agenda as Goals of the IV or for the people putting conditions to their contributions, here is what I have to say to you. I would sincerely request you to never visit Immigration Voice or any other immigration related forum or website. You guys are the real problem because you are the once helping to foster the current system by not participating in brining the change. At the end of the day, know that you are the real culprits not the system which will be shaped by the contribution of each of us.
In last 2 weeks the contributions has really come down drastically. Everybody please note that we are running very low on the funds collection. All of us have two choices. One, contribute for this cause generously and lead the friends and acquaintances by example and tell them to do the same. Secondly, find reasons to not participate or not to contribute due to this, that or whatever …. The choice is entirely yours. But with your choice also understand whether you are being part of the solution or part of the problem. And whatever you do (including posting negative messages), I would sincerely request everybody to ask yourself one question, whether you (or your post) are strengthening or weakening this effort.
I would like to request all the members who have not yet contributed to please contribute generously. Please put your money where your mouth is. This effort or any similar effort for that matter cannot do much without the necessary funds that only come in the form of contributions from its members. And for those of us who have already contributed in the past, its time to please contribute more and help to fuel this effort.
This is not just about the life of the people who started this effort or the core/active members who have taken the initiative and responsibility. This is about all of us whether or not you feel part of it or not. It doesn’t make any difference how you feel about the situation or state of affairs. Why? Because this will be over very soon. And for the people who want to continue to ponder over this idea of whether or not they have a sense of belonging to IV, I would sincerely request you to please understand and know that by any contribution to this effort, you are strengthening your own voices. Know that this is not about anybody else but you.
I am beginning to realize that for some people who do not want to contribute, there will always be plenty of reasons and plenty of excuses not to participate & contribute. I think these people are the ones who are actually responsible for the problems of all of us. Our problems do not originate in the slow GC process or the existing bad legislation. Our problems originate due to the people who are always looking for reasons to not participate or do anything or these people who are always looking for reasons to feel offended. And these people are sure doing a wonderful job because there will always be plenty of reasons to feel offended or not feel part of the group or not find enough motivation to feel part of the bigger community.
Asking questions or requesting a specific item in the goals is one thing. People beating the drum of transparency …. That is no big deal either. Everybody is entitled for their opinion. But people watching from the sidelines or for the people who want to include agenda as Goals of the IV or for the people putting conditions to their contributions, here is what I have to say to you. I would sincerely request you to never visit Immigration Voice or any other immigration related forum or website. You guys are the real problem because you are the once helping to foster the current system by not participating in brining the change. At the end of the day, know that you are the real culprits not the system which will be shaped by the contribution of each of us.
In last 2 weeks the contributions has really come down drastically. Everybody please note that we are running very low on the funds collection. All of us have two choices. One, contribute for this cause generously and lead the friends and acquaintances by example and tell them to do the same. Secondly, find reasons to not participate or not to contribute due to this, that or whatever …. The choice is entirely yours. But with your choice also understand whether you are being part of the solution or part of the problem. And whatever you do (including posting negative messages), I would sincerely request everybody to ask yourself one question, whether you (or your post) are strengthening or weakening this effort.
I would like to request all the members who have not yet contributed to please contribute generously. Please put your money where your mouth is. This effort or any similar effort for that matter cannot do much without the necessary funds that only come in the form of contributions from its members. And for those of us who have already contributed in the past, its time to please contribute more and help to fuel this effort.
This is not just about the life of the people who started this effort or the core/active members who have taken the initiative and responsibility. This is about all of us whether or not you feel part of it or not. It doesn’t make any difference how you feel about the situation or state of affairs. Why? Because this will be over very soon. And for the people who want to continue to ponder over this idea of whether or not they have a sense of belonging to IV, I would sincerely request you to please understand and know that by any contribution to this effort, you are strengthening your own voices. Know that this is not about anybody else but you.
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qplearn
10-10 04:04 PM
QT,
May be this is not a prediction thread. But the OP and some others are all about VB in another thread or two. While I personally dont have any issue with it, it just frustates me that people dont understand that VB is not going to do any magic for PD's in 2003 or later. C mon Lets be realistic. After doing all the math in so many threads, Does any one expect that the PD will be some where in the ending of 2003. Hell no. Then why is that we have a Dec Bulletin thread way back? Now some one is gonna come start a Jan prediction thread. Useless. I hate to comment on this but I hope people understand the difference between discussion as you said(which I personally agree) and useless predictions when they can make educated guess and do something else.
Actually, the analysis of numbers and the "math" that you refer to was also done on the prediction threads. So it wasn't really all that useless.
Also, if the skil bill passes, for many ppl, there will be magic bcuz their PDs will be current.
BTW, I am one of those others who are all over the prediction threads. I don't have a big problem with prediction threads. My PD is Dec 2004; so I do need some comic relief once in a while.
May be this is not a prediction thread. But the OP and some others are all about VB in another thread or two. While I personally dont have any issue with it, it just frustates me that people dont understand that VB is not going to do any magic for PD's in 2003 or later. C mon Lets be realistic. After doing all the math in so many threads, Does any one expect that the PD will be some where in the ending of 2003. Hell no. Then why is that we have a Dec Bulletin thread way back? Now some one is gonna come start a Jan prediction thread. Useless. I hate to comment on this but I hope people understand the difference between discussion as you said(which I personally agree) and useless predictions when they can make educated guess and do something else.
Actually, the analysis of numbers and the "math" that you refer to was also done on the prediction threads. So it wasn't really all that useless.
Also, if the skil bill passes, for many ppl, there will be magic bcuz their PDs will be current.
BTW, I am one of those others who are all over the prediction threads. I don't have a big problem with prediction threads. My PD is Dec 2004; so I do need some comic relief once in a while.
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lost_in_migration
05-14 03:57 PM
This thread is still relevant even after today's VB and even for folks with PD<Jun2003 so just /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ up :)
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qasleuth
05-02 02:56 PM
What is this OBC battle you are talking about?
It has nothing to do with immigration but a bane of India.
It has nothing to do with immigration but a bane of India.
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07-29 06:06 PM
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unitednations
03-15 11:52 PM
sure prove me wrong.
If you are telling me that VO or IO has access to all criminal records from all 51 states, i can't stop laughing here.
If they have access, why do they even have a section for declaring voluntarily?? to test honesty of the applicant??
Lots of things have changed since 9/11. Browse immigration.com for peoples postings over the last seven years and find some articles written by attornies and deportation cases.
Before your flight even takes off; the passenger manifest is sent to Department of Homeland Security. They run it against every database they have. Before, you land they already know whether you have a criminal record (expunged or not); you have a warrant or are on a terror watch list.
There were some high profile cases where department of homeland security received the information late and had the plane diverted to Canada and had passenger removed who was on such list. I even believe Cat Stevens was denied entry after his plane left England. I think the plane had to stop in Nova Scotia and they wouldn't let him back onto the plane.
I have known people who had shoplifting record in California that was expunged. When they went for visa stamping they answered that they hadn't been arrested (chennai consulate). Visa officer already had the information and confronted person with it. Person explained that since it was expunged; their criminal attorney told them they didn't need to declare such things. Person had to get the court/arrest records to show consulate (Person is on h-1b and has US citizen child (for what it's worth). Don't know if person was able to come back here.
In local office interviews; people have been asked if they have criminal record (I/O's basically ask every question again on 485 and g-325a; just to see if person is telling the truth (they already know the answer). Person replied no and USCIS officer stated that was not the information they had and confronted the person with the record.
Every time someone opens up a bank account, brokerage account, etc.; their name gets sent to Washington DC and checked against terrorist watch lists under the anti money laundering rules which I believe came into effect in 2002. Why is that relevant.
I know of two people. One lady who after she got EAD/AP was awaiting local office interview. She went to India and came back to USA. At the border; CBP asked her if she owned any company. Before, she could answer they named the company. In her passport, they made annotation of possible immigration fraud and sent her for deferred inspection to local CBP office. Lucky for her she had opened up the company after she got EAD and CBP allowed her in and eventually she got greencard (she opened up the company and had husband contracting through the company).
Another person I know; he had H-1b and was working for some motels (he specifically told me he did IT work and wasn't working as a clerk and the company was a holding company with many motels). His case was transferred to local office. Local office called him and stated they wanted him to come to office next day. When he went they asked him why he was listed as an account signatory on the motels bank account. They thought he wasn't doing h-1b work and was doing unauthorized work.
Both of the above cases I know intimately. They both got on radar of USCIS because of the anti money laundering rules and their names came up against the databases that USCIS checks and they decided to start further investigating.
This is one of the reasons that these background checks take so long. There is a lot more they do other then check to see if you are a terrorist.
Department of Homeland Security has access to a lot of information that they didn't have before.
If you are telling me that VO or IO has access to all criminal records from all 51 states, i can't stop laughing here.
If they have access, why do they even have a section for declaring voluntarily?? to test honesty of the applicant??
Lots of things have changed since 9/11. Browse immigration.com for peoples postings over the last seven years and find some articles written by attornies and deportation cases.
Before your flight even takes off; the passenger manifest is sent to Department of Homeland Security. They run it against every database they have. Before, you land they already know whether you have a criminal record (expunged or not); you have a warrant or are on a terror watch list.
There were some high profile cases where department of homeland security received the information late and had the plane diverted to Canada and had passenger removed who was on such list. I even believe Cat Stevens was denied entry after his plane left England. I think the plane had to stop in Nova Scotia and they wouldn't let him back onto the plane.
I have known people who had shoplifting record in California that was expunged. When they went for visa stamping they answered that they hadn't been arrested (chennai consulate). Visa officer already had the information and confronted person with it. Person explained that since it was expunged; their criminal attorney told them they didn't need to declare such things. Person had to get the court/arrest records to show consulate (Person is on h-1b and has US citizen child (for what it's worth). Don't know if person was able to come back here.
In local office interviews; people have been asked if they have criminal record (I/O's basically ask every question again on 485 and g-325a; just to see if person is telling the truth (they already know the answer). Person replied no and USCIS officer stated that was not the information they had and confronted the person with the record.
Every time someone opens up a bank account, brokerage account, etc.; their name gets sent to Washington DC and checked against terrorist watch lists under the anti money laundering rules which I believe came into effect in 2002. Why is that relevant.
I know of two people. One lady who after she got EAD/AP was awaiting local office interview. She went to India and came back to USA. At the border; CBP asked her if she owned any company. Before, she could answer they named the company. In her passport, they made annotation of possible immigration fraud and sent her for deferred inspection to local CBP office. Lucky for her she had opened up the company after she got EAD and CBP allowed her in and eventually she got greencard (she opened up the company and had husband contracting through the company).
Another person I know; he had H-1b and was working for some motels (he specifically told me he did IT work and wasn't working as a clerk and the company was a holding company with many motels). His case was transferred to local office. Local office called him and stated they wanted him to come to office next day. When he went they asked him why he was listed as an account signatory on the motels bank account. They thought he wasn't doing h-1b work and was doing unauthorized work.
Both of the above cases I know intimately. They both got on radar of USCIS because of the anti money laundering rules and their names came up against the databases that USCIS checks and they decided to start further investigating.
This is one of the reasons that these background checks take so long. There is a lot more they do other then check to see if you are a terrorist.
Department of Homeland Security has access to a lot of information that they didn't have before.
mikesin
09-22 06:48 PM
By Direction of the Chairman
09/23/2008
Full Committee
1:00 P.M. in 2141 Rayburn House Office Building
Continued Committee Markup of: H.R. 6598, H.R. 5882, H.R. 5924, H.R. 5950, and
To consider: a resolution and report recommending to the Hous of Representatives that Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey be cited for contempt of Congress
09/23/2008
Full Committee
1:00 P.M. in 2141 Rayburn House Office Building
Continued Committee Markup of: H.R. 6598, H.R. 5882, H.R. 5924, H.R. 5950, and
To consider: a resolution and report recommending to the Hous of Representatives that Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey be cited for contempt of Congress
BECsufferer
10-11 10:59 AM
Are you kidding us? I do not know what level of education you have achieved so far in your life but it looks like you are not enough educated to differentiate between the definitions of permanent residency, citizenship and perhaps working on work visa as far as legal stay in USA by outsider is concerned.
What would be the "legal" reply from US Supreme court,if you ask US supreme court that whether citizen of other country can call US president a "My president"? . And What would be the "legal" reply from Supreme court of country A,if you ask that whether citizen of country A can call US president a "his/her president"?
USA expects someone to abide by the land of the law while s/he come to US to work legally. And what is expected legally is one is not involved in "Anti USA" activity whatsoever it may be.USA legally never expects citizen of other country "to love" or "show fidelity" towards USA when s/he is still the citizen of other country.
PavanV is right in his argument, in a sense, that when some person is citizen of country A at this moment his/her fidelity naturally must be for his/her country A. This is the legally expected human behaviour in every society and country. It would have been perfectly o.k. and "legal" about rsharma's statement if he would have already been US citizen at the time when he stated what he stated.
Such ridiculous, unnatural, premature, unethical and spineless behaviour can only be shown by the people who are already morally sold.
First of all when somebody comes here in USA on work visa, s/he has come on invitation from USA base legal employer's willingness and is ethically, legally and morally obligated to provide professional class and quality of work for what s/he is hired. Nothing more or less is legally expected by USA and employment system within USA. USA and its whole society is well aware that these persons are citizen of other countries and so they never expects any kind of fidelity from them at least "legally" and at the same time they even do not grant the rights what US citizen nornmally have. Now out of that bunch many people prefer to go for permanent residency as permanent residency bring little bit stability in living and flexibility in employment and international travel. If one becomes a permanent resident of USA then also USA still only expects that person abide by the law of the land and do not involve in "anti USA" activity. It still does not expect "fidelity" towards USA in legal sense.There is no legal or social or political or any kind of pressure from USA or any governmental or non governmental institutes within USA on any particular person coming from other country to become its citizen. One can stay on permanent residency forever till death(At least based on current prevalent law) and legally work and s/he does not have to become a citizen for working legally. And I do not know about other countries but in India it is not considered "illegal" and/or "unpatriotic" to go in other country(Except Pakistan and Bangladesh) for legal work so coming to USA for legal work whether on work visa or becoming a permanent resident in USA while maintaining Indian citizenship simultaneously is not unpatriotic or illegal. Simultaneously USA's legal system allows an Indian to remain as citizen of India while residing in USA permanently for legal work.
Now if somebody decides to become a US citizen, there is nothing wrong in that. I do not see anything wrong when rsharma states that "I have decided to become US citizen in future". But if he is mature and human enough then his fidelity at this moment should be towards India (Assuming he is a citizen of India currently) as he is a citizen of India at this moment. Showing this kind of behaviour perhaps may not be a outright unpatriotic in terms of "Indianness" but it certanily signals probable but strong disloyality towards India.
And I do not think that USA citizens are that naive that they consider the people "not mingled" if citizen of other country do not call USA president a "My president" while holding the citizenship of other country.
If calling US president a "My President" by non citizens would be the barometer of "mixing" / "mingling" then USA would not be today's USA. So please do not kid USA and us .
Dude people like you are what irritates me. You guys want best of both countries without taking resposibility for either one. If your heart truly goes for "bharat maa" than why are you wasting your precious life serving American Corporations? your "bharat maa" is still 3rd world country and rift with many challanges that you could have worked upon to elivate it from. But you preffred to apply for GC and no where is it written that your getting GC would make "bharat maa" proud or rid her off her miseries.
Sorry, but I prefer to call a spade a spade. And I take side with country, that I might not be citizen of yet, but has given me what I could have never achieved in my life back in India. I am thankful to this country and look forward proudly to becoming citizen of USA.
So, God bless America !
What would be the "legal" reply from US Supreme court,if you ask US supreme court that whether citizen of other country can call US president a "My president"? . And What would be the "legal" reply from Supreme court of country A,if you ask that whether citizen of country A can call US president a "his/her president"?
USA expects someone to abide by the land of the law while s/he come to US to work legally. And what is expected legally is one is not involved in "Anti USA" activity whatsoever it may be.USA legally never expects citizen of other country "to love" or "show fidelity" towards USA when s/he is still the citizen of other country.
PavanV is right in his argument, in a sense, that when some person is citizen of country A at this moment his/her fidelity naturally must be for his/her country A. This is the legally expected human behaviour in every society and country. It would have been perfectly o.k. and "legal" about rsharma's statement if he would have already been US citizen at the time when he stated what he stated.
Such ridiculous, unnatural, premature, unethical and spineless behaviour can only be shown by the people who are already morally sold.
First of all when somebody comes here in USA on work visa, s/he has come on invitation from USA base legal employer's willingness and is ethically, legally and morally obligated to provide professional class and quality of work for what s/he is hired. Nothing more or less is legally expected by USA and employment system within USA. USA and its whole society is well aware that these persons are citizen of other countries and so they never expects any kind of fidelity from them at least "legally" and at the same time they even do not grant the rights what US citizen nornmally have. Now out of that bunch many people prefer to go for permanent residency as permanent residency bring little bit stability in living and flexibility in employment and international travel. If one becomes a permanent resident of USA then also USA still only expects that person abide by the law of the land and do not involve in "anti USA" activity. It still does not expect "fidelity" towards USA in legal sense.There is no legal or social or political or any kind of pressure from USA or any governmental or non governmental institutes within USA on any particular person coming from other country to become its citizen. One can stay on permanent residency forever till death(At least based on current prevalent law) and legally work and s/he does not have to become a citizen for working legally. And I do not know about other countries but in India it is not considered "illegal" and/or "unpatriotic" to go in other country(Except Pakistan and Bangladesh) for legal work so coming to USA for legal work whether on work visa or becoming a permanent resident in USA while maintaining Indian citizenship simultaneously is not unpatriotic or illegal. Simultaneously USA's legal system allows an Indian to remain as citizen of India while residing in USA permanently for legal work.
Now if somebody decides to become a US citizen, there is nothing wrong in that. I do not see anything wrong when rsharma states that "I have decided to become US citizen in future". But if he is mature and human enough then his fidelity at this moment should be towards India (Assuming he is a citizen of India currently) as he is a citizen of India at this moment. Showing this kind of behaviour perhaps may not be a outright unpatriotic in terms of "Indianness" but it certanily signals probable but strong disloyality towards India.
And I do not think that USA citizens are that naive that they consider the people "not mingled" if citizen of other country do not call USA president a "My president" while holding the citizenship of other country.
If calling US president a "My President" by non citizens would be the barometer of "mixing" / "mingling" then USA would not be today's USA. So please do not kid USA and us .
Dude people like you are what irritates me. You guys want best of both countries without taking resposibility for either one. If your heart truly goes for "bharat maa" than why are you wasting your precious life serving American Corporations? your "bharat maa" is still 3rd world country and rift with many challanges that you could have worked upon to elivate it from. But you preffred to apply for GC and no where is it written that your getting GC would make "bharat maa" proud or rid her off her miseries.
Sorry, but I prefer to call a spade a spade. And I take side with country, that I might not be citizen of yet, but has given me what I could have never achieved in my life back in India. I am thankful to this country and look forward proudly to becoming citizen of USA.
So, God bless America !
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