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  • villamonte6100
    02-18 11:17 AM
    (1) There was no shortage of laypeople and even attorneys who asserted that "USCIS isn't doing anything wrong they are just following the law" when it came to FBI name checks. Fortunately for all of us sharper legal brains and sharper judges prevailed, and brought us to this happy day.

    (2) On Class Actions: Villamonte, have you read the Mocanu decision (http://www.bibdaily.com/pdfs/Mocanu%202-8-08%20LEXIS.pdf)? If not I encourage you to do so -- that was just individual cases being consolidated, but the situation is not very different -- you should pay particular attention to the part where Judge Baylson recommends a multi-district class action litigation to deal with all the other name check cases (see p. 16, para numbered 6).

    The parallels between the those cases and the one being proposed are very strong.

    Judge Baylson is not the only judge who has recommended a class action approach to these issues. IV members should also be aware that all we need are a few named plaintiffs, it isn't as though every IV member or even everyone wanting to sue needs to be a named plaintiff. All the judge needs to recognize is that there is a large group of applicants with same or similar grounds for suing USCIS/Emilio Gonzalez. Edit to add: IV the organization doesn't even need to be the primary plaintiff, since that will necessarily cutoff any parallel discussion with the agencies. The IV forums are just a place to organize this.

    (3) Preliminary Ideas on the Grounds for Suing (courtesy lazycis):
    The grounds for suing USCIS is the same as in Gonzalez v Howerton -- (a) interpreting the law incorrectly (b) not following the statutory requirement that they use up all the greencards available in a given year and therefore being guilty of affirmative misconduct. At the very least, a judge is within his rights to make them make amends -- by recapturing 2003-2004 EB greencards, since they wasted them as a result of their affirmative misconduct -- they waited for name checks or simply not processing applications - no one can say there wasn't an application backlog in 2003-2004.

    (4) First Steps
    What we need here is to get this matter before a good legal strategist who is familiar with (a) the two sources of affirmative misconduct (FBI name checks and cessation of processing in 2003-2004) (b) precedents and caselaw (note that most immigration law firms are good with filing paperwork, but not necessarily complex litigation, so forget about the usual suspects.) The perfect legal argument will not sprout up immediately. In the same way that the legal arguments in the name check cases were honed over time (lazycis can confirm this), this too will need some serious research and thinking.

    Those of you who want everything about this case sorted out, signed, sealed, guaranteed and delivered this week will need a reality check. :)

    As will those of you who think that the way to approach this is to discuss these issues without familiarizing yourself with facts and legal precedents in some detail (so arguments about slavery etc are not the ones that will win the day in court, it is arguments that can show that USCIS was not interpreting the law correctly and in doing so caused harm and that the harm can be remedied through recapture.) -- if you want to see how a case like this will work read Mocanu and Galvez. This case will not be a dramatic movie-style civil rights case about slavery, it will involve the most tedious sort of nitty gritty discussion of admin misconduct.

    OTOH, for most of us, all we've got is time -- I do not foresee my Jan 2003 EB-2 India PD becoming current any time soon. I'm prepared for a long legal battle. I'd rather do something constructive** that will likely change the process than sit and wait and mope.


    **: Yes, I've sent off my letters too. I think of these two things as complementary projects.

    Neither of us are lawyers and I wouldn't even bother reading what you wrote. All I can say is, why don't you ask your immigration lawyer about this Class Action. Let's see what he says.





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  • gauravster
    05-29 05:08 PM
    I agree that we need to be united. But does that mean we just accept people abusing EB1?
    Dont you think it is unfair to people who have waited for all these years?
    If more people start abusing EB1, then there will be no visa numbers for EB2/EB3.
    When EB1 abuse is stopped, It may not get all of us GC, but atleast some of us could get GC.

    We need to fix the problem of too few visa numbers available to I/C. If the waits in EB2/3 are not long, there is no reason there will be any significant abuse of EB1 visas. You are targetting a mosquito and ignoring the elephant in the room.





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  • snaidu
    05-10 10:27 AM
    I see a lot of people discussing about Canada.

    Any inputs about Australia and life down under?

    Thanks





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  • PlainSpeak
    01-13 04:54 PM
    i'll not tell anyone that u'r gcperm.... ok?

    btw, no one is freaked out knowing that u'r gcperm..... i guess no one cares for u....
    Ahh my friend Ron if you are trying to get me to feel bad with your statement i guess no one cares for u.... then all i can say is Better Luck Next Time
    I dont care if anyone cares for me or not peronally or w.r.t. what i have stated in this forum.
    If people abuse that is their problem not mine. Sure i wil lfeel bad but it would be feeling bad for them not feel bad :P
    If people do not agree with me that is also ok since that is their right
    If people do not care for what i am saying that is also ok because the whle idea is that people on thsi forum start thinking about all options (Out of te box solutions)

    And seriopusly my friend if my intention was to convert or sway a whole bunch of people (Which i have no Intention of doing) within a day that would not be much of a challenge right ? because nothing comes for free (read that as without effort) in this country. I believe that is one of the slogans of IV. And guys i just borrowed it so dont hit on me saying i am now using IV slogans for myself

    Peace ...



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  • gc_on_demand
    06-15 01:29 PM
    I believe in luck in the GC process. Before 2005 PERM process, many folks applied in states where Labor was fast. They were able to get greencards within a couple of years while others were stuck in Labor Backlog centers (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=67&Itemid=50). Some cleared all hurdles and got stuck in namechecks for years. Until 2007 Namecheck was a big scare. (http://immigrationvoice.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=81&Itemid=61)

    Many people could not file in July 07 for various reasons. Some people were born in India but were brought up in other country. Even they are stuck. Some people decided to rise in their careers and changed jobs on H1. While they did rise, but lost in the grreencard PD race.

    So definitely luck pays its role.

    me and some other people may be lucky individually to get PERM and I 140 get clear just before economy collapsed in early 2008. But now we are facing MASS UNLUCK OF INDIA.

    Just kidding..





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  • H1BinNY
    07-04 09:37 AM
    I am not part of this mess but here is my 2 cents contribution. NBC reporter

    NBC News Channel 4
    Monica Morales

    Her email is

    monica.morales@nbc.com



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  • garybanz
    12-14 05:32 PM
    Guys,
    I think we have spent enough time discussing this, please respond to this post if you are willing to share the cost of taking this discussion to a top Constitutional attorney. (just the cost of initial discussion...not the actual case)

    Also if some one can point me in the right direction on finding the right attorney for this question then I'll really appreciate it.

    Thanks.





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  • sunty
    02-13 11:31 AM
    $100 from me..for the first consultation...



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  • rajeev_74
    09-24 07:04 AM
    for people who own or will buy homes ? We could also say that this can come from recapture but only for already or potential home owners...

    It could be part of the Bail out package...





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  • gagbag
    07-03 09:47 PM
    http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/02/ap3879453.html



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  • boreal
    05-29 01:42 PM
    Ok, the guy that sets the dates says that he sees no possibility of dates moving forward for EB India and ppl are still thinking there is hope? I am an optimist and try to see the brighter side - and that side here is that we know there is no hope for those past 2005 in the next two years. That to me is sufficient to make decisions and move on. Be it changing to a different job or going back to the home country - most probably the former for me.





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  • chmur
    02-13 12:18 AM
    I think the entire community should align behind Administrative reforms with a laser-focus. This initiative is a digression.

    IV has had it's own share of success with it's approach. No other methods have succeeded so far .

    Also, from my little IV volunteering experience I can vouch that our community has very high inertia and is difficult to organize. people are afraid to send letters to president...good luck in getting them to sue USCIS.

    community does not have the bandwidth to take multiple initiatives.

    I see no wisdom in doing this. USCIS/DOS can screw us worse , if they wish to . This is not being timid but being pragmatic...anyway the bravado talk also needs to be followed up by multiple clear paths to victory.



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  • praveenuppaluri
    04-01 03:18 PM
    Azhar visited your post and joined congress.. he is contesting from Hyderabad...

    what have you done gcdreamer05 :D

    can you wish all of us quick GCs too.. looks like your dreams are powerful !!!


    If Imran khan has come in to politics why not Azharuddin ?





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  • go2roomshare
    07-11 06:11 PM
    I know people who got their GC in 7 months from the date they filed PERM. and then there are many people getting GCs every month. There are both good stories and bad stories to tell about getting GC in US.

    There were times when H1 quota never reached the limit during the whole fiscal year, now they get used in just 2 days. This mess in GC process is a result mainly due to our own actions (temporary workers and consulting companies hiring temporary workers). Do you think majority of us once we get GC, stay with the consulting company that filed for our GC? When a consulting company files for PERM, they already have a foreign national working under H-1B in that position. So where is the real intent to hire an American when some foreigner is already working at that position?

    This employment based GC is a way for us foreigners to immigrate to US easily at one point. Now due to our extreme usage and abuse of this process, there are genuine people who are being sponsored to immigrate to US are also suffering. In a true employment GC scenario, the company should be desperate to keep you for a long time (more than 6 years after H-1B is maxed) for your valuable skills that they were unable to find in others. But in most GC cases, looks like we temporary workers are more desperate than our employers for the GC? aren't we? Do you see any companies sweating on how to retain you with them, because you H-1B is expiring and they have no way to keep you?

    Do not put all the blame on US immigration system, the majority of the blame should fall on us and the companies who are helping us to get GCs when our cases are not based on genuine sponsors.


    You are right, this is partly true. I work in one of forture 20 company , they redid whole GC on EB2 since Eb3 PD is getting wrost. it wad done just to make me happy and keep me with the company. How many employers will do that? I know lot of my friends had to prey employers and pay from their pocket for same. It is really comes to individual case. on whole i belive we are in more disparate position for GC than employers who really should be.
    this is open secret, don't you agree.



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  • garybanz
    12-14 04:03 PM
    His/Her country of origin and the state chapter is not really relevent for this discussion now, is it?
    :cool:

    It actually is. I am talking about an approach which has a chance (quite remote though) of removing the country based quota. You tell me that it is not going to fly.

    Now if you were from a country affected negatively by the quotas then I will take that as suggestions from some one who is in the same boat.

    On the other hand if you are from "ROW" then all your attempts to kill this ideas will make me understand how scared you are of this idea and hence how good this idea really is. :)

    The reason I asked which state chapter you belong to is to check if you are one of the "Real" IV members...coz there is a lot of people who are on this forum for a completely different purpose.





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  • reddy77
    07-03 11:34 PM
    Digged , Thanks admins for all these, I really appreciate your hardwork. I want to call senator/Rep in PA, Any contacts of them..



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  • apb
    12-14 02:13 PM
    OK, let's assume the SC invalidates country-based quotas. All EB-based immigration has to stop at that point until new law is written and passed......

    Isn't this we want. New Law. I am pretty sure when new law is being written and debated and passed, we could lobby for the changes we want. I believe, the EB process will not stop during this process because the govt machinery cannot say let the new law comes into force and then we process. They have to process the GC as per the existing law.
    First we go the judiciary route. If we win that would be awesome. If we loose that will give us more visibility. More visibility could attract more sympathetic support than what we have right now. Also there will be clear distinction in senators mind between Illegal and Legal immigration. The hearings will expose the lies behind Lou D talk shows.
    I believe that this process will act as a catalyst, to the entire process. We are already facing retrogression. Maybe another couple of years of extra wait would be worthwhile if this can bring in the reforms.:)





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  • ash27
    03-31 11:16 PM
    Sk2006, I don't understand why would you like this thread to be deleted. I understand that this is immigration forum but I do not see any issues discussing other topics that other people are interested.... Please do not discourage people from discussing other issues that may be relevant. If you are not interested, you are more than welcome to not go through this thread....





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  • qvadis
    12-13 05:28 PM
    Folks,
    Since this can potentially be a great win for us, why don't we take the advice of a top constitutional attorney.


    Note that it would certainly not benefit the other 60%+ from countries other than India that are also stuck in various steps (EB3, name check). So, unless you want IV to stand for IndiaVoice, you should concentrate your admirable effort on increasing the overall quota (with increased per-country quota), excluding dependents, etc.





    PBECVictim
    06-27 10:52 AM
    If Dept of State finds by mid of the month all(not by country) EB3 or EB2 numbers consumed, then they may come back and say no more acceptance of particular category. But generally they don't want to do that for EB category applications, because it is difficult for them to evaluate, reason is some numbers from Family category will be transfered to EB categories.

    It happened for EB2 India, in the month of July 2006 mid. All numbers for EB2 India were utilized before mid of July, but even then they didn't come back in the mid of the month. So they made it "U" in next bulletin.

    Don't be panic...........





    indiancitizen77
    09-05 10:32 PM
    This was the response I got 3 years ago when I enquired, but I believe the process is different for each province in Canada, and you may want to talk to the person below for more details. Life after internship/residency is not that lucrative in Canada. You may be better off in the Middle East.

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    If graduating from an accredited medical college in he United States, he/she will have substantially less difficulty obtaining his/her license to practice medicine in Canada.

    He/She will have to complete the qualifying examinations that are administered by the Medical Council of Canada. There are two of these exams. Information about these exams can be found at http://www.mcc.ca. He/She should not have to worry about being subjected to the international medical graduate programs since American schools have their degrees recognized by the licensing bodies in Canada.

    Contact Info

    Scott Butler
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    2 Carlton Street, Suite 1004
    Toronto, ON M5B 1J3

    Phone: (416) 979-8611 x 4301
    Fax: (416) 979-9853
    Email: membershipaipso AT cassa.on.ca
    Web: http://www.aipso.ca
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    Check out these links:
    http://www.readersdigest.ca/mag/2004/08/doctors.html
    http://www.aipso.ca/doctors_in_waiting.htm
    http://www.justlanded.com/english/canada/tools/forums/jobs/qualifications_for_foreign_doctors_in_canada/foreign_doctors_in_canada
    http://www.canadaimmigrants.com/forum_2.asp
    Lots of links out there, you'll have to do some research.
    Thanks for the Information Sertasheep. I guess the middle East especially Dubai is a good option too. I guess the taxes would not be the issue unlike in Canada.



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